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    April 23

    Brown’s future post-budget: “defeat or humiliating defeat”

     
    MSN Money's post-Budget poll shows voters were unimpressed  
     
    Yesterday’s Budget won’t save the Labour government at the next general election, political analysts say. Pollsters on both sides of the aisle gave dire predictions, ranging from manageable defeat to humiliating defeat, for the party after yesterday’s bad-news Budget. If Labour can’t convince voters it has a grip on the recession in the coming months, the analysts say, it risks being “completely wiped out” at the polls.
     
    Andrew Cooper, founder and strategic director of polling firm Populus, is a leading interpreter of political opinion. I asked him whether Chancellor Alistair Darling’s plans could help the government survive. “The short answer is no,” he said. “Voters are profoundly sceptical and won’t be swayed by what he has said. They’ll want to wait and see what happens.”
     
    ‘They give one and take two’ is a phrase he frequently hears in focus groups. “Although it sounds as though people are going to be better off, they actually end up worse off.” To make matters worse, this year’s Budget was delivered during a global recession and it is that recession, Andrew says, that will decide the government’s fate.
     
    Wiped out
     
     
    “In the weeks and months to come, the concern will be does it feel like the chancellor’s announcements are working?” he told me. “If yes, Labour may experience a manageable defeat. If not, they could be completely wiped out.
     
    “For example, there was a blip bump for Labour immediately after the collapse of the Lehmann Brothers last autumn. The government sensed terrible things were happening all over the world and seemed to have a plan. By December, the polls suggested a general election would have produced a hung parliament and Labour would have had the biggest majority.
     
    “Now, the polls indicate Labour would only have a majority of 40 to 50, when what they need is a converted majority of 50 to 100 or more. If they can’t persuade voters they’ve got a grip, they risk being wiped out completely.”
     
    Economic populism
     
     
    The Budget did, however, offer clues to Labour’s general election strategy. Increasing taxes on high earners is an attempt to define Labour as the party of the masses, rather than the privileged few – a philosophy put forward by legendary pollster Stan Greenberg after he joined Labour’s ranks in 1995 (Tony Blair wasn’t convinced by the political power of economic populism at the time; Gordon Brown was).  
     
    Will voters buy it? Elizabeth Truss, deputy director of right-of-centre think tank Reform, doesn’t think so. “(Labour) have failed to address voters’ concerns about the high level of debt and public spending,” she told me. “Many voters are having to cut back on their own household budgets. They want to see the public sector do the same.”
     
    Darling must change direction in November’s Pre-Budget Report if the government is to avoid a debilitating defeat, she said. “He needs to address the deficit and reduce spending in the key departments. How well Labour does in the next general election depends on whether the government continues on this course of overspending or decides to make the difficult decision and rein it in.”
     
     
    What did you think of the Budget? Did it win your vote, or will you be backing someone else at the general election?
     
     
     


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    Jameswrote:
    The system of government as become almost a farce with supposed 'leaders' unable to run our country efficiently. Managing the complexities of trading, finance and immigration along with health, education and employment is not an easy task and demands intelligence and certainly experience, somethinng that is patently lacking in the present Government. Common sense appears to be almost totally absent within the most important institution in this country. We now need to examine what steps need to be taken to rectify the extraordinary damage that has created by our government over the past term in order to set this counrty on the right course for recovery. Without a doubt this government should go, and immediately. Without torturing the facts we have an unelected Prime Minister that has been totally wastful both under Blair and in his own right, and has done little to promote the important issues needed to secure continuity of success in this country. There are no excuses for failure to serve the public, for the destruction of pensions to bolster the coffers following overspending, for the mismanagement of our gold reserves, for the billions wasted on the health service, with little to show for it, and education, and crime; the list is endless. All of this notwithstanding, the other inaine 'projects' costing billions of pounds are ID cards, and Europe which they have been trying to force us to accept, in one form or another for over 50 years now. My vote is on Europe is NO for very good reasons, both historical and sensible. We can have a common currency and the freedom to travel without signing over our democratic rights to a faceless bunch of beaurocrats that are unelected and indeed unaccountable to the British public. Our constitutional rights are being whittled away and will ultimately dissappear if we allow the Brown's of this world to have their way, and what for? So greedy politicians can hop aboard the EU Gravey Train once they have made a mess of things in this counrty - NO THANK YOU:
    BROWN you have let the country down badly. You have turned your back on the working man in favour of the banks. You have ignored the manufacturing base in this country and been singularly unhelpful in helping companies survive even those that have full order books. You have mismanaged our money to the point of recklessness and now we need to elect someone that can put , not your, but our country right. You should be ashamed; that's an old-fashioned emotion that used to affect people when they reasised that they had made a complete mess of things.

    I want someone in power that can control our finances and the banks; after all they have a huge amount of our money now.
    I want a government that can support our industry and not sell it off abroad.
    I want a government that can encourage companies financially and develop our manufacturing base by cutting all the red tape that is so binding and use government subsidies to help build business overseas.
    I want government to back new projects that show promise instead of tightening the pures-strings in order to wast money on 'pet' projects that eventually collapse.
    I wan a government that can help create jobs
    I want goverment to work for us the people of this great country, not themselves.
    I want one law for all whatever their colour, creed or culture; their should be no community leaders, councils etc. If you want to be British comply with our laws.
    I want a curb on immigration with new laws on who can enter this counrty.
    I want a decent counrty in which children can thrive and look forward to a peaceful life, safe, secure and fair.
    Not a lot to ask for my taxes.
    May 22
    chriswrote:
    Most working people in the country would be delighted with a salary of 61,000 per year for what has been reduced to a part time job. M.P's receive more that enough for the job they do without adding expenses. They should not be allowed to have other appointments,or jobs or directorships or remuneration and concentrate on representing the electorate. If they feel they need to see how industry works or businesses are affected by politics they should do it without payment and on a voluntary basis. It shows how corrupt a government is when it allows such a system for expenses to develop. There was a time when local people sent a local representative to parliament to represent them. I believe that for a person to represent my area he or she should have lived and worked here for at least five years. Party politics should not be allowed at all and a prime minister be elected from the M.P's elected. No MP should have a job for life and should serve for a maximum of 2 parliaments. If an M.P is found to be unsatisfactory he should be deselected and another person elected in his place immediately. MPs should be subject to the same laws as the rest of us and as readily prosecuted for their transgressions as we (normal citizens)are. Is it too much to ask the Police to do their job and investigate these 'nose in the trough' pigs who claim to represent us?
    May 21
    Antonywrote:
    ps, I also forgot to mention that the movement of massive tax income, to labour boroughs for health spending and new hospitals and other projects, and mostly to ensure that those who vote labour already, continue to do so at every election, after all is any geordie now likely to complain when more than 60% of all economic activity, on this area is dkrect government spending, whaty a come down for any area, when Newcastle was the hive of industry and invention, and is the only town to have a speakers corner, outside of London,( it is in the Bigg Market, by the way, and I never saw it used once, in 15 years that I lived there, ), it's own stock exchange, and the first house ever with private electric lighting, the Turbinia, Vickers Armstrong, Grubb Parsons, Swan Hunters, names that 80 years of Socialism has strangled, oncde the leaders for invenmtion in people like Joseph Swann, who invented the lightbulb, a fact that Eddison was forced to acknowlege, when after 25 years of court cases he relented and formed the first ever, lightbulb manufacturers, the "Eddiswann" lightbulb manufacturers, cszn these people ever understand that they are what makes the future, not the government, they are all now clint voters of the labour party, and do nogt expect that this will change, they re all too dependent on the rest of us to ever actually ask, what has socialism done for us , ever, in 80 years ? Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
    May 20
    Antonywrote:
    LATLY, WHERE IS THE MORAL RECTITUDE OF A MAN WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE A MORAL COMPASS, GIVEN TO HIM BY HIS UPBRINGING, IN A STRICT RELIGIOUS HOME, AS A "SON OF HE MANSE", HE OUGHT TO HAVE GONE FROM THE DINNER TABLE AND SOUGHT A QUIET ROOM, SOMEWHERE IN HE BUILDING, AND USED HIS REVOLVER ON HIMSELF,BECAUSE HE COUID NOT FACE THE DISGRACE OF HIS OWN MISBEHAVIOUR, BEING MADE PUBLIC. AND WHERE ARE CAMERONS COJONES, ? HE SHOULD BE GOING FOR THE KILL OVER THIS, ALONE, IF HE DOES NOT, CAN HE REALLY BE SEEN AS ANYTHING BUT WEAK, AND THEREBY, EASY MEAT ON THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE, GIVING THE TRUTH TO OBAMAS ASIDE, AS HE LEFT DOWNING STREET, THAT HE ( CAMERON ), IS A LIGHTWEIGHT, GO FOR THE JUGULAR DAVID,
    OR LOSE MY VOTE AS WELL.
    May 20
    Antonywrote:
    GORDON BROWN MUST BE DESELECTED< IS ANY OF HIS LOCAL CONSTITYUENCY LISTENING ?< HE SAYS THAT ANY MP< WHO IS GUILTY OF ABUSING THEIR EXPENSES, SHOULD BE DESELECTED< WHAT ABOUT ONE GORDON BROWN< PM ?HE HAS CLAIMED FOR THE EXPENSES OF THREE HOMES AS SECOND HOMES OVER TWELVE YEARS, WHILE STAYING RENT AND MAINTENANCE FREE IN A PUBLIC, ( NOT GOVERNMENT OWNED, BUT PUBLIC OWNED), HOUSE AT TAXPAYERS EXPENSE, AT THE SAME TIIME AS LETTING THE HOMES HE CLAIMED FOR, TO OTHERS, AND THEY IN TURN RECEIVED RENT, FROM THE PUBLIC PURSE, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I WAS YOUNGER AND LIVED IN SALINE IN FIFE , ( NEAR GORDONS CONSTITUENCY HOME, THAT THE LOCAL LABOUR PARTY, WAS FIERCELY AND ALMOST CALVANISTIC ABOUT DISHONESTY, AND WOULD HAVE NEVER ALLOWED THIS SORT OF THING TO BE DONE BY ANY REPRESENTATIVE OF THEIR PARTY, WHERE IS THAT HONOUR NOW, ? RECLAIM THESE STANDARDS, AND DESELECT HIM NOW, BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION, SHOW PEOPLE AND MP'S THAT THESE LITTLE THINGS LIKE HONOUR AND DECENCY, REMAIN PART OF SCOTS CHARACTER, OR IS PARTY POWER, MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU, THAN HONOUR ?
    May 20
    Antonywrote:
    Mostly , any political analysis shows that Labour, has quite deliberately corrupted politics to remain in power, first they move the boundaries of political areas thereby making some tory seats dissapear, entirely, then they make massive pay rises to their client groups , local councils , nurses, doctors, police, and firemen, teachers, wonder if these turkeys are going to vote for christmas, or Labour ?, ( while denying the armed forces a pitiful increase in income, ever get the idea that Labour is scared of the reaction of the forces, when it suceeded in denying them the vote from abroad, while on active service, because of "beaureaucratic errors", causing all the armed forces votes to be delayed in the post, ? ), then massive immigration from non EU nations is ongoing, what a coincedence, that all these votes are socialist, and for the people that allowed them in, and by the way the marginal wards where these people went, were also slim labour majorities, nor any more, they're not, they redivide and increase the number of areas for votes, so as to increase the number of MP's to a massive figure of 645 MP's, more than India has, by 22, and guess what, ? the increased seats are all Labour wards, all this, and more has been done to remove any possibility of a Labour loss at any election, remember that the Labour government rules with the smallest level of support of the electorate ever, less than 33% voted for them at the last election, most legislation is done and passed in Europe, we do not need this many MP's, it should be under 350, nowadays but in parliament, numbers count, and they have hijacked democracy, and unless we are a lot more cynical, then we may never get it back, it is all smoke and mirrors with this party, nothing of decency in them, and if there was a single truly honest member in this party, then the first call would be for the unelected Prime minister to go, because of the fact that he claimed for three houses and juggled the definitions of them, while he himself was housed in a free house at our expense, for twelve years, while he profited by letting all three properties, and claimed rent and expenses for all his houses, for twelve years, he himself , feels no remorse or regret, if he did, then his local party would be told that the first to be deselected because of their dishonesty in claims, would be , one Gordon Brown, MP.
    May 20
    Antonywrote:
    Just a minute everyone, when Labour came to power, John Prescott walked into his new office and asked the civil servant in charge "what about this black hole in the budget ?",. the reply from the civil servant was " what black hole ? "

    Labopur sold everyone on the idea of a massive deficiot that only they could clear up by prudence, and putting "an end to boom and bust", they sold the idea that there would be massive cuts in the NHS, education and welfare, it was a lie, the country was in a very good position financially, and that was not the Conservatives saying it, but every economic analyst in the world from, Europe to the United Nations, every time they fight an election, the Labour party uses the same tactics, scare, scare, scare, and never mind the truth, If you check the history bopoks you will find that in every parliament the Conservatives have run over time the actual spend on health is higher than the labour parties, and that is not just the amount spent, but the increase, in the rate of spend is higher under the tories, as it is in education, and the spend is in patient care, do not blame the tories for local decisions to throw your granny out on the street, with Alzheimers, look and see where care in the community fails and there you will find a Labour political ward, or had no one noticed this little fact ?, and they will always blame the national government, for having to do this, they play a nasty little game of politics with peoples lives, and place the responsibility on others, like politics in the work place we all know of someone who causes all the trouble, but never has the blame stuck to them, I am not now or ever a tory voter, I vote Liberal or UKIP, but I do so because I check the facts, not because my mum and dad voted Labour or tory all their lives, I actually check the truth before I make my vote, I just wish that many more did a little bit more, than believe the newspapers, reading this nessage board convinces me that most, do not, and that, more than the greed and dishonesty of those elected, is what the problem really is, laziness and bigoted, this country gets what it deserves, every time..
    May 20
    Antonywrote:
    IT IS rich, that the man who leads the labour party is someone who, under his own his own definition of corruption and fiddling expenses, should be deselected from his parties nominated candicy, at the next election he,did claim for rent and the full allowances for a second home ( actruilly three second homes ), during his time in the commons over the last 12 years while having a publicly funded and maintained,at our expense " grace and favour" house, for which he was asked to contribute not a single penny , just how much of a hypocrite can you be when you are not even elected, as a prime minister ?, and what is David Cameron doing about this , ( he risks being seen as someone without the "killer instinct" needed to defend our nation, a weak man who can not fight, and that will only lead to a country that is going to be attacked, in Europe and the world, he must stop playing delicately about this, as should the Liberals and the Liberal Democrats, the man is a stain on our country, and the biggest fraudster in our government and the people of Scotland must throw him out, I was brought up in his political area, and when I was young the attitude of those around me was that no politcians, should not take votes for granted, they do not own us, it is clear to me that years ago the electorate would have thrown hiom out, but nowadays they will still vote him back, because they always voted labour in our family, because our mums and dad did before us, it is time for the local party to think the unthinkabe for their own sakes, if not ours, and actually de select him now, if they want this brought to an end and they have any senseof self respect, is their no honour left in Scottish politics,?it should be clear to all that there is nothing socialist about this party except for the romance of their name, I am ashamed to call myself Scots these days, re electing a rotten party, is not the answer, vote for hionesty and truth,not this corrupt and bigoted political mob, tell them thaty we do not accept this and send a message to all future politicians, and more ovder put an end to political careers, maximum served time,should not be more than fifteen years or three parliaments, and then go into the real world and earn a living from your own abilities, not win a popularity vote,
    May 20
    stephenwrote:
    oh i might add......when these MP's sell their first or second homes (depending on the switch they make for financial gain and to avoid capital gains tax), do they pay any of this capital gains back to the country's purse, of course not the keep it all don't they even though it was our money that helped pay for it all.....greedy, greedy MP's....
    May 19
    stephenwrote:
    when im at work im allowed expenses......for travelling (if i travel to a different place other than my own place of work) and sometimes for an overnight stay in a hotel, which might include the odd meal, but im sure if i went into my Employer with expenses for cleaning a swimming pool or for cleaning a moat (both of which i don't have), or for dog food, £18,000 for 2 book cases(who does Tam Dalyell think he is to claim for those), or even for my morgage which has ben paid off, just what do you think my employer would say to me, i know and i think it is unprintable, MP's should be made to pay back all of these crazy expenses and like the rest of us just take expenses that are within reason and while we are at it Mr Brown why go back just 4 years, don't you think you owe it to us to go back more than 20 years, im sure the results would be more shocking......
    May 19
    Eddie Graywrote:
    So if you are a MP YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH LEGAL THIVING sack the lot of them and prosicute then set up a inderviduel team of the puplic to monerter expenses also when the so called 2nd homes are sold all the money is returned with profit. Any vacancies. ?
    May 19
    Browns government wants to look at the expences claimed by the Euro mp's not just mp's in this country, how would he ever explain that! there all a bunch of con artists anyway as we all know they all line there pockets , and how come these mp's who claim for mortgage assistance having paid up the existing mortgage can manage to achieve that most of us cannot they must be getting the money from the rest of there expences I guess, all as I say are bunch of con men/women.

    Nigel
    May 16
    lisawrote:
    I agree with you there Brian, it doesn't matter who you vote for these days, because if you really think about it, the government do what ever they like anyway, they don't listen to the people of this country. we can all stand up and have our say about things,but do they really care..umm..... no, because if they did actually listen to us the country would probably be a lot better then it is now.
    May 14
    no namewrote:
    And yes im finally so sick of my own country and the stupis people in it, you cant make money now people dont want to work hard men dont want to take care of their famillies no one cares about anyone else but themselves.. no body is valued any more... got a teen girl and people keep saying hasnt she moved out yet.. like its a crime to want to be with your family. and shew will go when shes ready. discimination is back with a vengence looking for new job and age going against me.. health isntr too great and recent hospital treament was appalling.. people are getting ruder by the day and some just need to be knocked down big time.. this country has now lost hope.. and the last little bit of me is just trying to hold on for hope that my girl has better life.. and like i told her shes gotta get out there and make it the best she can.. so time for the government to kick their butts and yes put the great back into britain but the people not businesses and government backed schemes.. people have got to start making this place a better place for our kids sake its not about better schools or new buidings its the heart of the people thats gone. ands appreciating what we do have this goverment has been putting its own people down for too long the latest they say are kids are not intelligent enough to be better than their parents well how about respect.. this government done have any respect for us yet we pay their wages you work for us
    May 8