ans to why should we give a damn? there is no such thing as human rights else, tell that to all the dinosaurs. Do prostitues put themselves in harms way? public beheading is the way in Iraq Packistan etc so who is it that's complaining about death penalty here then - obviously some of these imports. BUT - Very little chance the forensics and DNA profiling technique used by the police is quite frankly useless. Woody tree huggers brown rice eating ! huh its about time you A class so called 'normal' males started listening to everyone else - you bastard queer potato eating cunt who if you keep on rattling on about the world in an unimportant way like you do will end up not having one to live on - for any of us. your society is already broken down into an uncaring one - just look at the selfish way young people and youth behave today in the street as compared to people of our generation ok we smoked a bit of weed now and then but we were politer, gentler and frankly better looking! at least there werent a culture of looking like skull crim class to start with. however i do agree with you on your main point something has to be done to prevent those who gang up to maim and kill not getting a 10 yr custodial sentence and that to mean 10 years without parole for all of them. then crime of passion - well if its true - then debt to society and rehab 5 years inside 5 years stoking a 60's deisgned bolier in a coal fired power station ought to sort em out. - 20 years for using weapon or against child or old or vunerable person. no parole. it should be as you suggest hard work for the person. its fucking hard enough in the normal world why should a crim get off light.


as to Religion causing problems I think you will find that the good lord taught us to 'love our neighbour' Buddha taught us elightenment, Confucious many eastern wisdoms, and Mohammed - inner peace.

However expensive? I dont think so - all it would take is one bullet. (45 p).
jack yes - but this terrorist bastard would still be dead right so it doesnt matter to us how he feels - but I would suggest that it is a light option perhaps he should be placed in a room with an ever increasing payload of a bomb and allowed to set it off himself he will soon cry for the release he deserves to go to Allah who I sincerely hope he belives in as he will meet him.



The main problem is that peoplearent listening to the reasoning
there was some twit on the telly recntly talking a load of shite about startlings reducing in numbers he said there is now only 5 birds to a garden - yes thats becasue of Prescotts impact on the stupid labour policy of allowing more immigrants in so we have had to build them more houses than the country can support in fact OUR LESS THAN A VILLAGE has become part of the dormitory strip between here and Fucking London and so the gardens are much smaller. You fucking idiot the birds are intelligent enough to know that a modern garden can support a lower amount of the birds so as there are now more smaller gardens theyve divided their groups up to smaller units!!



At least most of them are on the flood plain so hopefully theyll all be washed away down the drain of the Thames.

how many old folks would go out at night ?

sorry about your son right mate but the polices job is not to protect us. Its to catch criminals. There is a difference.

One things for sure you can do what ever you want of you have enough money in this country youll get off.

anyway thats enough guff from me Im off to work

So hanging or any death penalty is an infringement of human rights is it. Well I would say that murder is a bigger infringement of the same human rights. Anyone who would not welcome back the death penalty must have some fear of it comming their way. Today we can tell we have the right person due to forensics and DNA so there would be very little chance of getting the wrong one.
A life sentence would be good if it realy meant a life sentence but as soon as the "Do Gooders" get going, the pilloks in power start cowering and sooner or later we have a child killer, or whatever on the streets again. They will invariably kill again and then its back to jail with do gooders moaninig like hell. And the murder victim? Who the hell cares? Well I do for one and the sooner these animals are put to death like the scum they are, the better it will be. I am old enough to remember when it was safe for old folks to walk out at night, unlike today, there were punishments then. One was hanging by the neck. One was the birch applied to the naked buttocks and there was also rock breaking - known then as hard labour- and mail bag sewing. All designed to break the will to re-offend. Today the punishment is utter crap. I know why there was not as much crime then and so do a lot more, The problem is, no one wants to admit it because they would be admitting they were wrong.

Not to have a death sentence is just simply daft and to say it is to ensure not one innocent person suffers a misjudgement is so brown rice eating ;tree hugger pathetic its beyond belief ! We can set up a system were the likes of Ian Brady and Myra Hindly can be got rid of quickly and cleanly as possible, not that they had such care for there victims, and its done and dusted. But we choose not to !? When i have spoken about this i always get, ahh but you cannot be certian you will not kill an innocent person ! Well YES YOU CAN its so very simple to do, but once again we choose not to !? So we choose to allow known killers to live and we murder children by the millions because we choose not to believe that a divided egg is a life . Tell ya secular humanists have a weird priority setting ! With all these known killers and psychos in prison living a life, lets hope society don't break down and they all get out because they will not be so considerate.

I have to agree with seosamh curley who herself reiterated my earlier comments. The **** that murdered my son laughed at his 6 year sentence of which he served 3 in a soft prison at Saughton. And to Alan re: the 5yrs for carrying a knife this piece of crap actually went to his house for the knife, was seen by police running down the street waving it, & then attempted to murder my youngest son before murdering my eldest who went to his rescue. Justice?! No way. Would his death have been self defence or defence of another yes it would as he & his family threatened to go after my youngest son. My sons "crimes" laughing with friends & not even at the murderer. There was no question of his guilt. Also as to the wrongly convicted get better police. If the police weren't bent no miscarriages such as the G4 etc would occur. If the police had done their job i'e' protect the public on the night my son was murdered then my son would still be here. 11 years on & my 1st & last thoughts are of my boy

I write, what if the person you are sending on his ( probably happy ) death after beng tortured into admitting he is guilty of a crime they may not have committed.
Wake up, and cant you se that some people are owning up to crimes that they did not commit.
We see people released from prison now inocent who have repeatedly denied the crime accused of after actually admitting to it.
The torture they must have gone through and their families, all their life gone!
Too many innocent people have died because they could not mentally stand up for themselves!
Inocent until proved guilty , not bullied into pleading guilty to survive torture!

i believe that its worse to spend life in prison than it is to be killed, these people have done horrible things to people, and left lasting mental scars on their family, why should they have the relative pleasure of being killed? and as for you bill, you talk of tax-payers expense, at the end of the day, if you look around in other countries like america, they spend inordinate amounts of money researching into what way is the best way of killing someone, and if you want to spend less then why are you saying trials should be quicker? surely this would only lead to the need to employ more people so that is clearly flawed, i dont know if this business about castration is a joke or not, but i cannot accept that comment in any sincerity as it is just ridiculous. Just because something has been in operation for a long time, doesn't mean we have to return to it, would you like to see a return to horse and cart instead of the car, and workhouses instead of the orphanages we have in operation now.
I for one am proud to live in a society that doesn't arm its police and doesn't believe that killing another person can be justified, as Ghandi said, "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Also what if someone has been wrongly accused, we then kill them and then due to a breakthrough in forensic science we find them to be not guilty, do you who have called for a return to the death penalty want that guilt on your hands?

Why should we all have to finance the whole life sentence?

These people are ill, no deterrent ever works, not even the death sentence. Revenge & retribution as operated in UK for so many centuries, is long since past it's consume by date.

With all due respect for the victims & their relatives, we all need to wise up, first & foremost, those in "power". We need to improve the basic, as also the adult education system, & those guilty of any violent act, including rape, kiddy-fiddling, road rage, or even any form of vandalism, whatever their justification/mitigation, should be castrated/sterilized immediately, 1 month after conviction, unless they appeal against conviction. All legal process should be much quicker, no one should need to wait more than one month for trial, a month should be more than adequate to gather evidence. No trial should take light-years, a week should be more than enough.

The legal industry have the habit of draging it out in order to justify their own fat cat incomes.

Castration/sterilization would, over the following 2 years, render the culprit much more extrovert & docile, as their hormones re-adjust. Any sentence should treble for any future offence, including misbehaviour during sentence. The original 3 years should thereby become 9, any further problem would become 27 years.

Any such time, at tax-payer's expence, should be put to good use, improving not only basic literacy/numeracy, but also trade education, with a view to employment on state contracts after release. We cannot expect the private sector to employ a "jail-bird", the employers are not that christian, or wise!

It is the unemployment, poverty, destitution, and general discrimination, due to totally inadequate education, which causes most of the violence in the first place.

I am not a do-gooder, but believe that all Rug-Rats should be perfectly literate/numerate, as also able to swim at least 500 metres, before being turned loose on the dole queu. They should also have a Para-Chute Book, & pass their driving test on a fully laden 18t artic before leaving school. We could even throw in 3 months Boot-Camp with adequate Square-Bashing, also full First-Aid, including full CPR & Midwifery, before leaving school. We could easily ditch morning assembly & RE to pay for it.

Religion has also caused so much blood-sport over the centuries, mostly by means of totally unjustified discrimination, segregation & intolerance. Those at the top of religion are oft no more than "untouchable" fat-cats & dictators.

Death penalty is the easy way out , would you rather die or be stuck in your cell for 23 hours of the day and not seeing the outside world. Having the death penalty is the easy way out your friends family or anyone who ever mattered to you in the world would never see you again but then if you died you d be made a hero in your own right none of it really works does it really for thoes hardened crims

i am totally aginst the death penalty.......i think its cruel and why are we justified in killing a human being in the fact that were just saposed to be showing them how wrong it is to kill wtf it dont even make sence were killin someone for the punishment for them on a normal basis of killing someone else this is no lesson learned for anyone in that matter.........its wrong to kill.....so were gonna tech you a lesson by killing you....hmnnnn....uh and the fact of people saying that the murdered victim has family and freinds maybe even a wife or husband....ok?????.........so its right to make the murders children....wife...or husband suffer also......no its not and anyways someone who is given the death penalty probly just cant wait for it.....prison is a tough and gureling place to be so why not punish them by giving them life in prison....and it would make the familys of both partys not have to suffer for the doing of there family???.........am i wrong?.............honestly how can i be this is a pretty basic reson to the problem and im really surprised no one has thought of changin it yet......oh and for those of you who think its money....nope cuz its way more expensive for the death penalty to come in play rather them being in prison for there life time.......oh and maybe if they have so may people in prison after that. then they can finnaly start thinking a little on who really should or should not be in there in the first place.........say petty crimes or the wrongfully accused hmmmm..........just some thoughts although i do agree that everyone is titled to there opinions thanks for reading mine

Michael is also correct on the issue of torture. There is not a single person who is able to resist torture forever. The most you can acomplish is to postphone the inevitable. The knowledge that the torture will go on untill a submission is gained breaks most on it's own.

Michael - The top Jack is I from the G20 forum. The other posts are not mine.

I many examples the death penalty is completly counter - productive. Take the case of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a current resident of guantanamo bay. He delared he wants the death penalty passed down to him, so he can become a martyr. Execution of this criminal would be the wrong decision because he would die feeling that he was a hero. Better to let him rot in a cell for the rest of his life, cruel as that is in itself, as it would be the greater punishment.

Perhaps you are of the ilk that torture should be implemented to gain a confession. Like the templars who were accused of sodemy, blasphemy and spitting on the cross e.t.c. Hung from their feet and wrists until their shoulders dislocated. Feet roasted over hot coals until they confessed.

I don't care how big, or brave you are. ANYONE, will confess to ANYTHING if they are being tortured.

Torture and blackmail goes on to this day in every country around the world.

OMG! Shocking to see some people still see capital punishment as an answer and deterrent. Does killing another make it just and right? No! It does not.

Executions are FAR from reliable as it is. Anyone remember the video back in the 90's called executions? It has been proved many times to be an inhumane and ineffective method of "legally" murdering someone, as well as not deterring anyone person from committing murder.

In our country we have an awful criminal justice system. Got to laugh at Jack for claiming people against murderers being executed is the cause for many more deaths. How did you come to this conclusion?

How is murdering another for their crime morally justified? You have some very strange views jack, and I'm sure a vast majority of people would not wish to have Capital Punishment brought back.

How many so called murders been wrongly convicted and executed only to be found not guilty? Forensics really are not 100 percent effective in investigating ANY crime. Especially DNA and "lie detector" tests.

It is not a bogus argument to claim that killing another makes you as bad as them, if not worse.


Scenario - teacher "Why did you hit that other boy?"

Schoolboy "Because he hit me!"

Teacher - "Does that make it right?"

See where I'm going with this. Small example. How different is that from someone executing another because they simply killed another? No different. What exactly is to be gained from taking the life of another in such a barbaric manner?

Your idea for a system like that is not do able at all. Not only that but it is wrong.

How can you also claim that our justice system is well respected, when the lads who killed Jamie Bulgar, are being released from prison, given new identities and a new life in one of the most gorgeous countries in the world. Australia.

Murder is murder. Wrong and in ANY instance, wholly unjustified.

Strange as it may sound, the death penalty is the 'easier' way out. How much worse is it to sit in your cell every day, knowing that you will never again see the world beyond the prison walls.

" The death penalty is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment,” she said. “Beheadings, electrocutions, hangings, lethal injections, shootings and stonings have no place in the 21st century"

.Amnesty refers to the brutal, inhumane and terrosrist approach to death but what about the victims of the killers who have had to endure the brutal inhmane and terrorist death?Why should they be more desrving of life than the inocent victims of the parents of child killers. It's almost dismissal and its sickening.

I`m neither for or against Amnesty international because I`ve never been in a position where my human rights have been abused or at least i don`t think so .There`s a" bigger picture" here to be looked at check out the way things are run in this country/world

There should be either the death penalty or a full life sentence for murder, my friend was murdered by a person who had been out of prison for 13 days he had even comitted acts of violence in the prison but was still allowed out, my friend was 32 years of age, the scum bag who killed him will be out before he is 40. Where were my friends human rights? It is about time that the members of amnesty took a look at the real world.

Amnesty and misguided people like them are responsible for many deaths of many innocent people because their pressure to disallow the execution of vicious evil murderers. As usual, it is the people that put themselves up as models of high intellect and models of goodness that do in fact cause enormous harm. The murders committed by convicted murderers is blood on their hands. They are responsible because allowing these people to live, ensures that they have the opportunity to kill again. Sometimes many times. And even if they don’t actually kill, they torture and main and make life extremely unpleasant for many innocent people. To kill these evil murderers is 100% certain to prevent them from ever doing murder again. In this sense the deterrent is 100% guaranteed. Does it deter other would be murderously inclined people? Probably some, but the kind of people that embark on a life of evil and murder are often not the most reasoning people so I expect the deterrent factor at large not to be great, but preventing some is a good thing. But that does not matter: on the murderers we catch we can be 100% certain that they don’t kill again. They don’t harm again.

It is a bogus argument to say that when the state (ie. collective society) kills an evil murderer that we are as bad as they are. It is a completely different thing to kill in response to an evil act of murder than to go out and hunt and murder innocent people. To kill a killer is not wrong; it is morally justified on the basis of natural justice. Just like it is not evil to protect your family when an evil murderer breaks in and attacks your wife and children; so it is also not evil to kill the killer when he/she is found guilty of the monstrous crime of murder.

Of course the way that capital punishment is actually practiced in many countries of the world IS a form of state terrorism and monstrous act of evil and I am all in favour of Amnesty and others campaigning to abolish those systems to be replaced by refined systems that only execute the guilty. But they do not help their own cause by throwing the baby out with the bathwater and campaign for total abolition of all capital punishment. Once you know the details of just how vicious and evil some people have been in their crimes and the devastation they have wrought on innocent families it is plainly morally unjustified to campaign for mercy and goodness and treatment and other forms of lenient treatment for such individuals. A cancer needs to be cut out. No, they should be campaigning to ensure that capital punishment is allowed but under extremely tight conditions of rules of evidence and also that the execution itself is humane. It is about time we had a bit of common sense approach to this issue. In the UK, a majority of people would support capital punishment in exceptional circumstances and for the likes of child sex predator murderers like Ian Huntley I suspect the % in favour would be 90% plus. With all our fantastic human abilities and intellectual capabilities do you think it beyond human intellect to devise a system that would prevent mis-carriage of justice and wrong people being executed? I don’t. I think it is do-able. Very do-able. A very strict legal framework could be imposed on murder cases to see that the evidence was strong enough and the type of murder was of a kind that merited the consideration of capital punishment.

Bring back the death penalty. In the UK our legal system is quite well respected and I think we could be a fore-runner and model of excellence in creating the strict legal framework that could be emulated around the world as a form of fair and morally just system for state execution.

Amnesty rattle on about the rights of the perpetrator - it is clearly UN-trendy and UN-postmodern, politically incorrect - call it whatever you like - to rattle on about the rights of the victim. I can't seem to formulate a consistent attitude to the death penalty - sometimes I think, yes, it's a necessary deterrent, other times I think, what if the wrong guy gets it? But, as pointed out by Bill and No Name, the denying of life can take a form other than death - I think that's the answer, gentlemen, whole-life sentences, with no access to normal prison resources and benefits - anything other does not constitute 'denying life' - just so the tree-hugging, bleeding heart postmodernists are clear on the issue.

bring back the Death penalty