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    February 11

    Should ecstasy be downgraded?

     
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    What’s happening?
     
    Ecstasy, the drug synonymous with Britain’s dance club culture, should be downgraded from class A to class B, the government’s drug advisers will say today in a long-awaited report into the associated health risks. That would put ecstasy in the same category as cannabis, but the government says it will ignore the advice – as it did when it upgraded cannabis last month.

    What are people saying?
     
    Professor David Nutt, head of the Home Office’s Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD), wrote in January’s Journal of Psychopharmacology that taking ecstasy is “no more dangerous than riding a horse” or other risky activities. In response, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith yesterday accused him of trivialising the dangers of drugs and a Home Office spokesman told ITN: “Ecstasy can and does kill unpredictably; there is no such thing as a 'safe dose'. The government firmly believes that ecstasy should remain a Class A drug.” Deaths linked to the drug have trebled since the 1990s - from 10 per year to 30.
     
    Why should we give a damn?
     
    Professor Nutt has defended his comments, telling the Daily Telegraph: “The point was to get people to understand that drug harm can be equal to harms in other parts of life.” The critical question, he says, is “why society tolerates – indeed encourages – certain forms of potentially harmful behaviour but not others, such as drug use.” In other words, if pursuits such as motorcycling, horse riding and alcohol kill more people than illicit drugs, why aren’t we banning those instead?
     
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    Billwrote:
    If "E" really is a Hippy style "Make Love, Not War", why not sell it on prescription for those who have no luck, complete with a ree pack of condoms?

    Anything which results in gay, sexual abandon, not only spreads VD, & other such maladies, but also increases the incidence of "accidental" pregnancy, single parents, & back-street, or diy, abortions. Those who condone/legalise/de-classify or even produce E, are possibly guilty of date-rape. Any dealer or donor of E, legally, or otherwise, is equally guilty of date-rape.

    Does no one, including gov.uk, have the ability/wish to take responsibility for such common health & safety?

    Surely, the entire civil service, including both gov.uk, all clergy, & the entire monarchy, are all extremely well remunerated for this purpose. Their salaries are to say the least extortionate. Possibly they would perform so much better if the were remunerated piece-work, by their perormance results.
    Apr. 25
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    Apr. 14
    Antoniowrote:
    4/7/09 Antonio was here
    Apr. 7
    Les Hurnwrote:
    Some minister' husband watches expensive porn on telly! indeed - so what? Has the UK gone daft, with more people than ever being stimulated by our neighbour’s private behaviour? Does the press in the UK continue our real Victorian culture & “I’m going to tell over you” values, not allowing the nation to grow up. Are we comfortable being so “goody two shoes” on subjects such as sex. When we see something unusual; we react immaturely & parochial. The British are so famous for being embarrassed for being prudish. Come on you Brits, do grow up & please do care about real issues; all that has to happen is that the expense claims are checked by boring accountants; claims beyond the rules, simply get rejected. Let’s not focus on the trivial subject of who watches sex movies, it is totally uninteresting; life really is too short to waste on such rubbish.
    Apr. 5
    Deanwrote:
    that woman needs to go, if labour want to keep there seats they need to call the the gravy train in to the station for good and put an end to this kind of theft of tax payers money. and that gose for all of the parties.as for the drugs how many politions take them i wonder? and where do they get them? i bet its not from some back street dealer.if the people want to take drugs thats thier chose,and like the man has siad that you are just as at risk if you drive, ride ,smoke ,drink, bloody fun police do as we say and not as we do.
    Apr. 3
    "Steve Wrote: Because ecstasy is illegal, you don't know what you are taking. Most 'ecstasy' deaths are from the other random shit that could also be in a pill - anything from rat poison to floor cleaner.
    Another point: how come it is perfectly ok to buy and consume the legal drugs alcohol and nicotine, which kill thousands every year, but it is a major crime to do a pill?!"

    Because there is an Income from Alcohol and Cigarettes................

    I have had to laugh at some of the comments, "Legallise drugs cuz they are cool" ......lmao...............how cool is it for the people behind the scenes............Not the ones who profit from the drugs you buy, like the pushers and suppliers......Take a deeper look, do a spot of research and you might find you rare helping along crimes such as slavery, kidnapping etc...........open your eyes to the reality of what goes on in the drug industry before ranting on about how "Cool" it is to take an "E"...............

    The only real way round this is for the Worlds governments to take control of the Drug Industry, ensure Drugs are sold, that are actually the drugs, rather than baking powder etc etc...........Then Tax it to high heaven like Cigarettes and Alcohol are, problem is then, that you will all moan about them being Taxed...................
    Apr. 1
    Adamwrote:
    Just give them all the drugs they could ever want and hopefully they will OD and we wont have to worry about them anymore!
    Mar. 31
    I can't help noticing a trend here. A huge hypocrisy. have the electorate trusted sheep to the wolf. The other fundamental question to ask is the value of politicians and the government organisations as a whole. Are they an asset or liability to the nation? I am pretty sure that we are only seeing tip of an iceberg here!!!!
    Mar. 31
    naomi harriswrote:
    so you are saying that society should accept it is O.K. to willingly take drugs which can and do make people lose normal reason for hours/ days/ months!! The law is there to give guidelines of what is and is not acceptable. not everyone will be educated or intelligent enough to understand or investigate the risks without them. Do you really know of anyone being arrested for taking the occasional pill! It takes a little more than that. As for the cannabis/ smoking argument thats riddiculous as well, cannabis destroys people a little at a time, like alcohol, not everyone who enjoys it will be affected, but to it is safe is crazy. And as smoking is being banned, even in some rental houses, you cant use that as a comparrison. As for the "it s not dangerous" I am honest enough to admit to myself that even though you cannot see from the outside, years of drug use has dulled my abilities and slowed my thought process down. at 31 should i start to worry about an increase in liklyhood of dementia or other old age illness'. as no resarch is available for that yet.
    Mar. 25
    If E is declassified then the government would stop wasting time arresting those who take it on a night out to have fun and don't harm anyone. They can concentrate on people committing real crimes! Alcohol kills more people every year than pills. It's the individuals choice to take E as it is to get into a car or to have a drink. It's a waste of time having it at class A because people are going to take it anyway. It's not as dangerous as coke or heroine and doesn't lead to as many crimes. The government should declassify it and get on with all the other stuff they should be doing!
    Mar. 25
    Ryanwrote:
    Why do we have class's anyway? either drugs are illegal or not, it doesnt make a difference wether or not its a class A or class B if the drug is illegal. The class system makes it much eaier to say "its ok im only taking a class B drug, at least its not class A"
    Sentences should be handed out in accordance with the severity of the crime not what class the drug is in.
    Mar. 24
    No namewrote:
    legalise all drugs
    Mar. 24
    Davewrote:
    I think zhon li gives us the classic reason why E's should NOT be downgraded. Get onto the herion blue eyes, spamming works so much better then.

    'No name' makes a valid point about herbal/natural remedies if we are looking for a good alternative BUT that is not what this issue is all about. However I do agree with his/her viewpoint. The problem is that the more effective herbal options will NEVER be given any consideration until they are able to pour the billions or £££'s sterling into the government coffers like the pharmaceutical industry shells out for the right to shovel their crap down our throats. Thalidomide is one name that springs to mind.
    Mar. 1
    No namewrote:
    Personally I think people should avoid taking any man-made drug - "legal" or "illegal". Take a natural herb or food-source nutritional supplement instead. Our ancestors used natural medicines and anti-depressants, in the form of foods and herbs, for thousands of years and they must have been tough ad healthy or they'd have died out long before we were born. Now that these sources have been dumbed down by modern farming methods and the rise of chemical additives and junk foods we need these supplements.

    All man-made drugs have undesirable and often fatal side effects. What's always overlooked in these debates is iatrogenic (doctor-caused) deaths. I found some figures on the net last year saying that the most recent annual figures for the UK were over 44,000 dead from side effects of taking prescription drugs (as prescribed) and over 55,000 dead from other medical treatments, medical mistakes and hospital acquired infections. I had to search for these figures and they certainly didn't appear on TV news or in the papers.

    However, the EU are beavering away bringing in legislation to prevent the availability of herbal and nutritional supplements that help people, with only 4 documented deaths EVER for herbal supps and ZERO EVER for nutritional. Looks like there's more than meets the eye here -probably drug company profits! Still, having seen how politicians rushed to prop up the banks with public money recently, we shouldn't be surprised that they're more concerned about the interests of big business than about the public. And they're still trying to persuade us that we live in a democracy. 'Bout time someone gave them a dictiionary!
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    Feb. 28
    Davewrote:
    Should E's be downgraded? - No.

    Professor Nutt's argument pursuits such as motorcycling etc! kills more people then illicit drugs doesn't make much sense to me. We may as well just say that as 25% of all road deaths are caused by drink drivers then that must mean the other 75% are caused by sober drivers....so let's all go out and drink drive. The roads will be a safer place with more drunken drivers. Hmm.
    Feb. 27
    Tomwrote:
    i think e's should be declassified 2 our own classification, which is sellin them at asda and all other retailers! weed is the way forward ppl should wake up from their slumber and take part in strongbow competitions. trevor mate noone gives a shit about your documentaries, take a chill pill mofo!!!
    Feb. 24
    trevorwrote:
    anyone who wishes to find out the truth about mdma should seek out the documentary called , ectacy rising, on utube and others, it,l open your eyes, i hope.
    Feb. 24
    Danny Byrnewrote:
    I think E should be declassified toa B, and cannabis brought down to a C if not made legal.
    And if weed was legal you could get wasted on good quality drugs that would deter from the likes of E or coke or heroin, and would probably sort out the credit crunch as it is massive business (at least in holland) and money would go to the government rather than scummy dealers (not that all dealers are scummy, but some are and even mix cannabis with chemicals or pu tiny flecks of glass in weed to make weigh more and look like it has more THC)
    Feb. 24
    Simon Handwrote:
    This debate is a should be a none starter, e's should be sold in the same way that cigarettes and alcohol is at the moment, its much better to get a clean pill for an outdoor or of a legitimate website (such as everybodydoesit.com or redeyedfrog.com) then you know your not going to end up take horse tranquilizers or other nasty stuff. The only thing stopping this is is the bad politicl PR that it would generate from people who have never taken it or have any experience to the effects. However there is a lot of substitutes that are far stronger and can be purchased legally!
    Feb. 23

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